I have been fading for six years now. I only continue to do the minimum to keep my family together and to keep association with close friends. I would like to hear your experience and how you are getting along. After all there is comfort in knowing that others are going through the same as you are. Thanks in advance to all who contibute.
Chris Tann
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To all secret faders who still believe in Christianity
by Chris Tann ini have been fading for six years now.
i only continue to do the minimum to keep my family together and to keep association with close friends.
i would like to hear your experience and how you are getting along.
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New ExJW here for the first time.
by WideAwake7 ini am here for the first time ...but have enjoyed reading others experiences that i feel i can relate too.
i used to be an elder for more than 20 years .
i have successfully faded with my wife and children.
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Chris Tann
Iam still fading,been six yrs. now. However I think most at the wedding will be cordial,and kind to your kids,giving that they were too young to make a decision. What helps me in a situation like this to not feel guilty (the elders and close friends know my position,and the cong. can see that I have slowed down dramatically) is to constantly tell myself that I know the real truth of the matter and they dont. I'm not doing anything wrong, it is just their judgemental,biased untrue beliefs that are going through their minds.I wish you well.
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Has anyone actually read the study wt for sun nov 2nd????!!!
by stuckinarut2 ino m g...(yes that is a very childish reaction...but i couldn't think of a more appropriate expression!).
if you haven't yet read it...please do so..... it is so ridiculous!
so leading, so distorted, and full of "bait and switch" techniques.. "prove you have the truth"..by seeing how neutral witnesses were in war times?
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Chris Tann
WT uses identifying points "from the Bible" to show people they have the truth. But these are points that THEY have chosen. Any Christan group can choose points from the Bible that they are practicing and say "see, we are the true Christians". Jesus said that we should help the poor, orphans, and widows; well there are alot of Christian organizations that have elaborate programs that do just that. But JW's dont,and they will tell you it's because it's just putting a bandaid on the problem. However Jesus taught his followers to do it ,so JW's must not be the truth.
The point is, dont get fooled into there list of identifying features of true Christianity. It is THEIR list, not the Bibles. The only points I can think of that Jesus said would specifically identify his followers is the love they had for eachother (John 13:34), and the good fruits they produce (Matt.7:16). Of the first point, it is absurd for a JW to assume that they are the only Christian group that has Christlike love,as if other Christian organizations can't figure this out and apply it. I have heard of some churches not having this love and some definitely having it as well as KHs' having it and definitely not having it.
On the second point, there are many churches producing good Christian fruitage. The problem is that JW's can only listen to WT's descriptions of the churches, which are always negative. But the truth of the matter is many churches worldwide are living up to their identity in Christ.
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How to Bewilder a Witness!
by The Searcher inask a witness what seems like a simple bible question: "nine verses in the bible tell us that jesus is going to judge the living and the dead.
(john 5:28,29, acts 10:42, acts 17:31, romans 14:9, 2 cor.
5:10, 2 tim.
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They may believe that refers to the spiritualy dead,which is incorrect. Or they may say they will be resurrected and judged based on what they do during the millennium,which is also incorrect. I did a thorough research on the verses Witnesses use to try to prove that when one dies they are "aquited" of their sins and wont be judged by them. I found everyone of them was either taken out of context or irresponsibly interpreted. If anyone is interested in this let me know and I'll post a new thread regarding it. Thanx (free of charge,lol).
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My Relief
by Smart inwhat a massive relief!
thank god i have just found this site the other day!
i don't know where to begin!
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Do Dah? Really?
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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?
by Chris Tann inthis is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.
also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.
also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.
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Apognophos: I read your suggestion of contradictions in the Bible. These are clearly two seperate events. You can tell by the contexts. Num. 20:14 says the Israelites try to pass through Edom after the water miracle,while Ex.17:8 says the Amalekites come to the camp of Israel to fight. Therfore at one time God told Moses to strike the rock and another time to speak to it.
Regarding what he wrote about God's holiness; Moses did not bring God holiness because he said he would bring water out of the rock,not God. But water did come out of the rock for all Israel to drink,and in this way God was made holy as vs. 13 implies when saying: " This was the water of Meribah...,and he [God] was hallowed among them."'
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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?
by Chris Tann inthis is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.
also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.
also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.
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Redvip:It's not that simple. I recomend reading the book The Signature of God,revised version. If you have a book that proves the Bible as false I would love to know,preferably a recent book. Thanks.
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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?
by Chris Tann inthis is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.
also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.
also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.
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Does anyone have historical records of this. Because according to the Muratorian manuscript of around 170c.e, all 27 books were accepted by most groups and only one in that ms is not in the canon(appocolypse of Peter)?
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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?
by Chris Tann inthis is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.
also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.
also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.
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Data-Dog: I feel thd traditional 27 books of the Christian scriptures should be the foundaition of the the Bible. One can also learn from letters of the early church fathers like 1Clement as opusdei 1972 points out.
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Why does the Society no longer use strong language?
by LogCon inwhy does the society no longer use strong language, such as found in the march 1, 1949 wt, to expose false religion?.
"...for years now the united states government has had a succession of roman catholic men as postmaster general and in control of the post-office department, and about such there can be no doubt that they are agents and representatives of the vatican.
but to date has anyone ever heard of this religionist in office issuing an order forbidding the use of the united states mails for carrying on a racket of collecting money from roman catholics upon the representation that it is for the benefit of their dead.
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Chris Tann
They dont use strong language anymore because it has got them in trouble in the past. Rutherfords religious hate articles caused Hitler to brutally persecute the IBS's.